The fifth novel in Asimov's popular Foundation series opens with second thoughts. Councilman Golan Trevize is wondering if he was right to choose a collective mind as the best possible future for humanity over the anarchy of contentious individuals, nations and planets. To test his conclusion, he decides he must know the past and goes in search of legendary Earth, all reference...
The fifth novel in Asimov's popular Foundation series opens with second thoughts. Councilman Golan Trevize is wondering if he was right to choose a collective mind as the best possible future for humanity over the anarchy of contentious individuals, nations and planets. To test his conclusion, he decides he must know the past and goes in search of legendary Earth, all references to which have been erased from galactic libraries. The societies encountered along the way become arguing points in a book-long colloquy about man's fate, conducted by Trevize and traveling companion Bliss, who is part of the first world/mind, Gaia.
这本看下来是真折磨人。冗长+审美疲劳。即使最后一章丹尼尔出来也挽不了尊了。Trevize在整本书里显得十分令人讨厌,特别是对孩子和女性的态度,表现出来的全是道理,争辩和情绪。
增加了船戏,没什么意思。Hermaphroditism的设定有点诡异。
活着的意义?绝对自由还是集体意志?还有贯穿整个银河帝国的问题:Why not leave the Galaxy to itself?
最后的结局不能让...这本看下来是真折磨人。冗长+审美疲劳。即使最后一章丹尼尔出来也挽不了尊了。Trevize在整本书里显得十分令人讨厌,特别是对孩子和女性的态度,表现出来的全是道理,争辩和情绪。
增加了船戏,没什么意思。Hermaphroditism的设定有点诡异。
活着的意义?绝对自由还是集体意志?还有贯穿整个银河帝国的问题:Why not leave the Galaxy to itself?
最后的结局不能让人满意。(展开)
比起前几部这本更像太空冒险小说,还是挺喜欢里面对个人主义和集体意志的反复探讨,Solaria和Gaia不过是极与极。最后的结局有些乏力,但靠universe也算扳回一城,印象最深的还是Trevize的辩解,如果罪犯是我们要为反抗者、异教徒和天才所付出的代价,I demand the price be paid.
这本看下来是真折磨人。冗长+审美疲劳。即使最后一章丹尼尔出来也挽不了尊了。Trevize在整本书里显得十分令人讨厌,特别是对孩子和女性的态度,表现出来的全是道理,争辩和情绪。
增加了船戏,没什么意思。Hermaphroditism的设定有点诡异。
活着的意义?绝对自由还是集体意志?还有贯穿整个银河帝国的问题:Why not leave the Galaxy to itself?
最后的结局不能让...这本看下来是真折磨人。冗长+审美疲劳。即使最后一章丹尼尔出来也挽不了尊了。Trevize在整本书里显得十分令人讨厌,特别是对孩子和女性的态度,表现出来的全是道理,争辩和情绪。
增加了船戏,没什么意思。Hermaphroditism的设定有点诡异。
活着的意义?绝对自由还是集体意志?还有贯穿整个银河帝国的问题:Why not leave the Galaxy to itself?
最后的结局不能让人满意。(展开)
·New sensations have flooded her mind. She's seen space, different worlds, many people, all for the first time. ·Fallom said, "But when you take me back to Solaria I will power Jemby and all the rest of the robots, and I will be happy again." ·"The Galaxy is full of space stations and space settlements of infinite variety, to say nothing of spaceships, and they're all uninhabitable except fo...
2015-07-30 11:10
·New sensations have flooded her mind. She's seen space, different worlds, many people, all for the first time.
·Fallom said, "But when you take me back to Solaria I will power Jemby and all the rest of the robots, and I will be happy again."
·"The Galaxy is full of space stations and space settlements of infinite variety, to say nothing of spaceships, and they're all uninhabitable except for the interior. Consider the moon a gigantic spaceship."
·"They are human beings, but they have brains firmly inculcated with the equivalent of the Laws of Robotics. They have to value life, really value it."
·"The more advanced and complex the brain, the more unstable it is, and the more quickly it deteriorates."
·"Hyperspatially, the Galaxy is a point—and so is all the Universe. We have not visited any other galaxy, and, as far as we know, no intelligent species from another galaxy has ever visited us—but that state of affairs may end someday."
·For Galaxia, a member of an entirely different species of organization, to be better than the Second Galactic Empire, there must be a flaw in the Plan, something the great Hari Seldon had himself overlooked. ·I/We/Gaia would not lightly break down an organization, though we would gladly build it into something still more complex, provided always that that would not harm the whole. ·The high...
2015-07-30 10:40
·For Galaxia, a member of an entirely different species of organization, to be better than the Second Galactic Empire, there must be a flaw in the Plan, something the great Hari Seldon had himself overlooked.
·I/We/Gaia would not lightly break down an organization, though we would gladly build it into something still more complex, provided always that that would not harm the whole.
·The highest form of organization we know produces intelligence, and to be willing to destroy intelligence requires the sorest need. Whether it is machine intelligence or biochemical intelligence scarcely matters.
·Trevize thought resignedly that each person must find happiness in his or her own manner. ·"I said that we can block ourselves off in emergencies, but who would want to live that way, even for an hour?" ·"The intensity is low but the volume is so great that a large majority of Gaia's total memory is in its rocks." ·It had been his for merely a matter of a few months, but it seemed like hom...
2015-07-30 10:23
·Trevize thought resignedly that each person must find happiness in his or her own manner.
·"I said that we can block ourselves off in emergencies, but who would want to live that way, even for an hour?"
·"The intensity is low but the volume is so great that a large majority of Gaia's total memory is in its rocks."
·It had been his for merely a matter of a few months, but it seemed like home to him and he could only dimly remember what had once been his home in Terminus.
·"We have one starting point and, however feeble it might be, we have no choice but to follow it up."
基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25134-41 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 06:52 上午
“问题是,”特维兹说,“我的房子或飞船是去适应我,而不是我去适应它,如果我成为盖亚超级生命体的一部份,不管这个星球是如何完美的适应我,我都会发现其实是我在适应它的。” 佩罗瑞噘起嘴巴,“没人能否认每一种社会模式中的人都是自我适应的,社会中的风俗习惯象链子一样紧紧地把每个个体连在一起。” “在我所知的每一种社会形式里,个体可以反抗,总有不合群的人,甚至罪犯。” “你喜欢有不合群的人和罪犯?” “为什么不呢?你和我就是不合群的人,我们明显和生活在泰米洛斯星的人不是同一类型,至于罪犯,这只是定义不同的问题,如果罪犯是产生反抗者、异教徒和天才所必须的代价,那么我愿意付出这种代价,这是值得的。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25142-45 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 06:53 上午
“如果没有远离社会标准的人,就不会有天才和圣人,我不知道如果都按照一个标准行事,那么怎么会产生天才呢?事物总是有两面性的。而且,我需要一个更好的原因让我决定选择盖亚模式作为人类未来存在的形式,而不仅仅是想选择它作为我建一所舒适房子的模式。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25258-59 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 07:03 上午
“也许吧,但即使我的快乐是贫乏的,我也想拥有自己的快乐和悲伤,我对这很满意。它们虽然是贫乏的,但它们是我自己的感觉,而不是你的那些血肉兄弟矿石的感觉。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25262-63 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 07:03 上午
我不介意整个盖亚分享你的快乐,布里斯,但我不想分享它,我们一起住在这个窄小的空间里,我不想被迫分享你的感觉,即使是间接的。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25327-30 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 07:12 上午
“是的,但你再想想,让我们假定一个有着人类级别的意识和思维的单细胞生物体,它现在面对着成为一个多细胞生物体的机会,这个单细胞生物体难道不会因失去它们的独立性而感到伤感,不会对迫使它们加入到一个多细胞生物体的来临而感到莫大的怨恨吗?它们这样做不会是错的吗?一个孤单的细胞可以想象出人类的大脑所拥有的强大能力吗?”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25345-46 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 01:50 下午
我想我有些更幼稚的原因,我是因为感觉到你对这事特别感兴趣,所以才没告诉你。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25310-25 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 01:53 下午
“特维兹,你可是故意误会我的意思,我是说,你应该试试一两分钟,你不会有任何损失的。这种滋味无法形容,布里斯说这是一种愉快的感觉,就象你在渴得快死的时候给你喝下大量的水一样的舒畅,我也不知道该怎么向你形容。你可以分享上亿个的生命体不同的感受,这种快感并不是一成不变的,如果它是这样的话你很快就会厌烦的。它不断地振动着、闪烁着、变化着——产生一种奇特的节奏让你无法离开。这种快感比你单独一人体验的快感要多—— 不,不只是多,个人的快感与之相比就象是沧海一栗。当她中止了我的融合时,我差点因舍不得而流下眼泪——” 特维兹摇着头,“你的口才真厉害,我的老朋友,不过这听起来好象你是在吸食一种毒品,它可以让你在短期内感觉快乐,代价却是长期的恐惧。我不会这样做的!我不会为获得短期的快乐而放弃我的独立性。” “我仍然是独立的,特维兹。” “如果你持续地进行这种体验,你的独立还能保持多久?老佩,你会乞求越来越多的毒品直到最后你的大脑被毁坏为止。你不应该让布里斯这样对你——或许我最好和她谈谈这事。” “别!不要!你知道我不想她受到伤害。我向你保证她会很小心谨慎的照顾我,她对造成我大脑损害的可能性甚至比我更加关注,你要相信我。” “好吧,那么,我要对你说,老佩,不要再这样做了。你已经用自己的方式生活了52年了,你的大脑已经适应了这种生活体验,不要突然转变你的生活方式,这会产生严重的后果,就算不是即时的,也会逐渐的对你造成伤害。” “好的,特维兹。”佩罗瑞低声说。他低头看着自己鞋子的顶端,然后说:“或许你该从这个角度来想,假设你是一个单细胞的生物”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25370-73 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 02:00 下午
“这不好吗?还是盖亚必须得吃它自己?(盖亚的食物也是盖亚超级生命的一部份——译者著)” 布里斯叹了口气:“实际上,我们有句老话——当盖亚吃盖亚,无所失也无所得。只不过是让这些食物的生命意识在它原来的等级中进行高低转换。在盖亚上,不管我吃了什么,它还是盖亚的一部份,即使它的大部份物质通过新陈代谢成为我的一部份,它仍然是盖亚。事实上,我吃下去的食物有一部份在成为我的一份子后有机会参与到更高级的生命意识里,当然,同时另一部份会成为废弃的物质从而降低了它的生命意识层次。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25376-79 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 02:00 下午
她狠狠地咬了一口她的食物,用力地咀嚼了一会,然后把它咽了下去,说:“这代表着一个巨大的循环,植物生长后被动物吃掉,动物吃掉动物或自己被吃掉,所有的生物体死后都会分解成原子、细菌或诸如此类的物质——但它们仍然还是盖亚。在这个巨大的意识循环里,即使是无机物也能够参与到其中,循环中的每一样事物都会有机会周期性的参与到比自己更高等级的生命意识层次。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25426 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 10:34 下午
有的更是把它叫做‘月亮世界(Mooned World)’,有权威著作说这很有可能是根据它那巨大的卫星而命名的,但有人说这代表着‘被抛弃的世界’,因为‘Mooned’这个词在古银河语中读作‘Marooned’,意思是遗失的或被抛弃的。
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25522-23 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 10:43 下午
“那么,对我来说,一个和人类无法区别的机器人就是人,如果你是这样的机器人,对我来说你就是真实的人类。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25617-22 | Added on 星期二, 三月 29, 2011, 07:10 上午
千篇一律的情况是让人无法忍受的。” 布里斯说:“如果多样性是大家都需要的,那么它会被保留下来。” “作为中央委员会的一个小礼物?或者该怎么说呢?”特维兹冷淡地说:“或者说是作为他们加入到盖亚的一个优惠政策?我宁愿象现在这样自然一点更好。” “但没有一个世界是完全自然的,每个有人居住的世界都被改造过了,直到它适合人类居住为止。如果康普力伦星过于寒冷,我能肯定这是因为使它变得暖和的代价非常昂贵,他们的居民负担不起。即使如此,我想在他们所居住区域的气候也一定被会被改造成比较暖和。所以请不要把所谓的自然抬得那么高。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25625-31 | Added on 星期二, 三月 29, 2011, 07:12 上午
“既然盖亚对自身的优越性如此肯定,为什么你们还需要我来作结论呢?为什么你们干脆不理会我的判断而自行其事呢?” 布里斯沉默了一会,仿佛在理清她的思绪,然后说:“因为过多的相信自己是不明智的,我们当然会看到自己的优点多过缺点,我们很希望去做正确的事,而不是去做感觉是正确的事,但什么才是正确的呢,有客观正确的事实存在吗?你是我们所能找到的最为接近客观正确事实的人,因此我们决定由你来引导我们。” “客观正确?”特维兹自嘲地说:“连我自己还不能理解自己作出的结论,我得去寻找能够说服我的理由。” “你会找到的。”布里斯说。
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25863-67 | Added on 星期二, 三月 29, 2011, 09:59 下午
布里斯阴着脸,“你在开玩笑吧?” “不,我是认真的。”特维兹说,“我不是说肯泽让我们通过仅仅是为了帮老佩避免惹怒他的妻子,男人间的义气可能只是起到推波助澜的作用。” “但这太可怕了,正是有了规章制度,才能使社会联合成一个整体。难道就为了这么微不足道的原因就可以不遵守规则吗?”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25870-80 | Added on 星期二, 三月 29, 2011, 10:01 下午
“这不是关键,如果我们只遵守那些我们认为是公平合理的规则,那根本就没有规则而言,因为没有一条规则会没有人说它是不公开和不合理的。如果我们把个人的自由看得太重——就象你一样,那么对一些限制我们自由的规则,我们总是有借口说它是不公开和不合理的。从此以后,你们这些‘精明’的人会将社会弄得混乱不堪,最后变得溃崩,那时就算是最‘精明’的人也无法生存了。” 特维兹说:“一个社会是不会这么容易崩溃的,你们盖亚是不可能理解非盖亚世界的社会组成。一条制定的时候是公平合理的规则,当环境变化时,它仍然在起作用,即使它已经不再合理,人们也会习惯的去遵循它。违反这样的规则就是在宣称它们已经不再有用——甚至实际上有害的。” “那每一个小偷和杀人犯都可以争辩说制裁他们的规则已经不再适用了。” “你走向极端了,在盖亚这个超级联合生命体中,对每一条规则大家都会毫无保留的接受并遵守它,也可以说盖亚是一成不变和陈腐的。无可否认,在我们这样的孤立社会中有很多不遵守规则的人,但这是保持创造力和多样性所付出的代价——从整体上看,这个代价是可以接受的。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 26267-68 | Added on 星期三, 三月 30, 2011, 01:29 下午
“梦想或许是不能实现的,但它仍然是个梦想。泰米洛斯,在银河的最边缘,它只有五百年的历史,比任何的世界都要短,但它事实上统治着整个银河。难道康普力伦就不可以吗?
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 26310-13 | Added on 星期三, 三月 30, 2011, 01:33 下午
莉露莎说,“你用的是不确定语态,这艘船‘可能’不再有用。这对我们毫无意义。” “我可以向你作出确定的承诺,但这对你们来说又有什么意义呢?事实上正因为我的承诺是谨慎的,这说明我至少是有诚意的。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 26623-26 | Added on 星期三, 三月 30, 2011, 09:58 下午
迪尼多松驰下来,笑着说,“荒唐,先生们。我们这样做只是因为习惯,在偏远的地区这或许是对他们的侵犯,但在大多数地方,这个风俗早已废弃。我还不知道有哪个康普力伦人在生气和震惊时不说‘地球’这个字眼,它是我们最常用的粗话。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 26662-63 | Added on 星期四, 三月 31, 2011, 06:07 上午
“没有证据显示有这样一场战争。常见的观点,甚至于众所周知的事情,就它本身而言,并不是证据。” “会是别的原因造成的吗?”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 3308-9 | Added on 星期一, 四月 04, 2011, 07:12 上午
It seems to me to be quite conceivable that when a planetary society consists only of Isolates, local and even individual concerns might easily be allowed to overcome planetary concerns.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 3889-92 | Added on 星期二, 四月 05, 2011, 07:36 上午
Bliss was no longer looking at Trevize. It was as though she were talking to herself. “He is an Isolate. He is not selfless because he is a part of a greater whole. He is selfless because he is selfless. Do you understand me? He has all to lose and nothing to gain, and yet he is what he is. He shames me for being what I am without fear of loss, when he is what he is without hope of gain.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 4269-74 | Added on 星期二, 四月 05, 2011, 08:40 下午
Trevize said, “No, Bander, because we do not measure freedom by your standards.” “That is because you do not know what freedom is. You have never lived but in swarms, and you know no way of life but to be constantly forced, in even the smallest things, to bend your wills to those of others or, which is equally vile, to spend your days struggling to force others to bend their wills to yours. Where is any possible freedom there? Freedom is nothing if it is not to live as you wish! Exactly as you wish!
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 4280-84 | Added on 星期二, 四月 05, 2011, 08:43 下午
We adjusted our genes gingerly, delicately. We had failures, but some successes, and we capitalized on the successes. It took us many centuries, but we finally became whole human beings, incorporating both the masculine and feminine principles in one body, supplying our own complete pleasure at will, and producing, when we wished, fertilized eggs for development under skilled robotic care.” “Hermaphrodites,” said Pelorat.
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 4305 | Added on 星期二, 四月 05, 2011, 08:50 下午
half-human
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 4631-34 | Added on 星期三, 四月 06, 2011, 06:13 下午
“Even as we are, freedom is not truly absolute. If I were the only Solarian on the planet, I could do even shameful things in absolute freedom. But there are other Solarians on the planet, and, because of that, ideal freedom, though approached, is not actually reached. There are twelve hundred Solarians on the planet who would despise me if they knew what I had done.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 4680-81 | Added on 星期三, 四月 06, 2011, 10:28 下午
Bandar said, turning suddenly grim, “I must first be merciful to myself and to my world, and to do that, you must die.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5111-12 | Added on 星期四, 四月 07, 2011, 06:13 上午
“I almost had the proper method of control, and it wouldn’t give me the time. I had no choice but to strike and now all four are inactivated.
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5290 | Added on 星期四, 四月 07, 2011, 07:44 上午
Had he listened too long and too seriously to the fantasy of his own infallibility?
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5326-40 | Added on 星期四, 四月 07, 2011, 07:50 上午
I just don’t see the sense of it. Why handle the minds when you were perfectly capable of destroying them-as you finally did?” “Do you think it so easy to destroy an intelligent being?” Trevize’s lips twisted into an expression of distaste. “Come, Bliss. An intelligent being? It was just a robot.” “Just a robot?” A little passion entered her voice. “That’s he argument always. Just. Just! Why should the Solarian, Bander, have hesitated to kill us? We were just human beings without transducers. Why should there be any hesitation about leaving Fallom to its fate? It was just a Solarian, and an immature specimen at that. If you start dismissing anyone or anything you want to do away with as just a this or just a that, you can destroy anything you wish. There are always categories you can find for them.” Trevize said, “Don’t carry a perfectly legitimate remark to extremes just to make it seem ridiculous. The robot was just a robot. You can’t deny that. It was not human. It was not intelligent in our sense. It was a machine mimicking an appearance of intelligence.” Bliss said, “How easily you can talk when you know nothing about it. I am Gaia. Yes, I am Bliss, too, but I am Gaia. I am a world that finds every atom of itself precious and meaningful, and every organization of atoms even more precious and meaningful. I/we/Gaia would not lightly break down an organization, though we would gladly build it into something still more complex, provided always that that would not harm the whole.
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and to be willing to destroy intelligence requires the sorest need. Whether it is machine intelligence or biochemical intelligence scarcely matters.
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5346-51 | Added on 星期四, 四月 07, 2011, 07:53 上午
See here-Suppose you were faced with a painting, a great artistic masterpiece, the existence of which meant death to you. All you had to do was to bring a wide brush of paint slam-bang, and at random, across the face of that painting and it would be destroyed forever, and you would be safe. But suppose, instead, that if you studied the painting carefully, and added just a touch of paint here, a speck there, scraped off a minute portion in a third place, and so on, you would alter the painting enough to avoid death, and yet leave it a masterpiece. Naturally, the revision couldn’t be done except with the most painstaking care. It would take time, but surely, if that time existed, you would try to save the painting as well as your life.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5439-43 | Added on 星期五, 四月 08, 2011, 05:43 上午
“Well, to begin with, we are Isolates, you and I.” “Her term, Janov. I prefer to think of us as individuals.” “A matter of semantics, old chap. Call it what you will, we are enclosed in our private skins surrounding our private thoughts, and we think first and foremost of ourselves. Self-defense is our first law of nature, even if that means harming everyone else in existence.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5953-54 | Added on 星期日, 四月 10, 2011, 07:10 上午
He felt himself in danger of growing philosophical and turned his attention away.
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 6609 | Added on 星期日, 四月 10, 2011, 03:52 下午
“but I’m not fascinated by her fascination.
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 7141-43 | Added on 星期二, 四月 12, 2011, 06:08 上午
“Erotomaniac? Come, Bliss. Twice on this entire trip. Twice!” “We were only on two worlds that had functioning human females on them. Two out of two, and we had only been a few hours on each.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 7320-21 | Added on 星期二, 四月 12, 2011, 05:49 下午
“Amphibious. They plan to develop gills in addition to lungs. They dream of being able to spend substantial periods of time underwater; of finding shallow regions and building structures on the ocean bottom.
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 7727-28 | Added on 星期三, 四月 13, 2011, 09:44 下午
“You certainly did when you pampered his male vanity so outrageously.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 8353-54 | Added on 星期四, 四月 14, 2011, 09:21 下午
“To someone who doesn’t know, it can’t be explained.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 8533-36 | Added on 星期四, 四月 14, 2011, 09:42 下午
“The First Law,” he said, “is this, sir: ‘A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.’ The Second Law: ‘A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.’ The Third Law: ‘A robot must protect its own existence, as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.’
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 8548-51 | Added on 星期四, 四月 14, 2011, 09:44 下午
The Zeroth Law is: ‘A robot may not injure humanity or, through inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.’ This automatically means that the First Law must be modified to be: ‘A robot may not injure a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm, except where that would conflict with the Zeroth Law.’ And similar modifications must be made in the Second and Third Laws.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 8732-34 | Added on 星期四, 四月 14, 2011, 10:11 下午
“Unfortunately, I knew nothing about Seldon’s Plan except for the two axioms on which it is based: one, that there be involved a large enough number of human beings to allow humanity to be treated statistically as a group of individuals interacting randomly; and second,
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 8734-35 | Added on 星期四, 四月 14, 2011, 10:11 下午
humanity not know the results of psychohistorical conclusions before the results are achieved.
·Trevize thought resignedly that each person must find happiness in his or her own manner. ·"I said that we can block ourselves off in emergencies, but who would want to live that way, even for an hour?" ·"The intensity is low but the volume is so great that a large majority of Gaia's total memory is in its rocks." ·It had been his for merely a matter of a few months, but it seemed like hom...
2015-07-30 10:23
·Trevize thought resignedly that each person must find happiness in his or her own manner.
·"I said that we can block ourselves off in emergencies, but who would want to live that way, even for an hour?"
·"The intensity is low but the volume is so great that a large majority of Gaia's total memory is in its rocks."
·It had been his for merely a matter of a few months, but it seemed like home to him and he could only dimly remember what had once been his home in Terminus.
·"We have one starting point and, however feeble it might be, we have no choice but to follow it up."
·For Galaxia, a member of an entirely different species of organization, to be better than the Second Galactic Empire, there must be a flaw in the Plan, something the great Hari Seldon had himself overlooked. ·I/We/Gaia would not lightly break down an organization, though we would gladly build it into something still more complex, provided always that that would not harm the whole. ·The high...
2015-07-30 10:40
·For Galaxia, a member of an entirely different species of organization, to be better than the Second Galactic Empire, there must be a flaw in the Plan, something the great Hari Seldon had himself overlooked.
·I/We/Gaia would not lightly break down an organization, though we would gladly build it into something still more complex, provided always that that would not harm the whole.
·The highest form of organization we know produces intelligence, and to be willing to destroy intelligence requires the sorest need. Whether it is machine intelligence or biochemical intelligence scarcely matters.
·New sensations have flooded her mind. She's seen space, different worlds, many people, all for the first time. ·Fallom said, "But when you take me back to Solaria I will power Jemby and all the rest of the robots, and I will be happy again." ·"The Galaxy is full of space stations and space settlements of infinite variety, to say nothing of spaceships, and they're all uninhabitable except fo...
2015-07-30 11:10
·New sensations have flooded her mind. She's seen space, different worlds, many people, all for the first time.
·Fallom said, "But when you take me back to Solaria I will power Jemby and all the rest of the robots, and I will be happy again."
·"The Galaxy is full of space stations and space settlements of infinite variety, to say nothing of spaceships, and they're all uninhabitable except for the interior. Consider the moon a gigantic spaceship."
·"They are human beings, but they have brains firmly inculcated with the equivalent of the Laws of Robotics. They have to value life, really value it."
·"The more advanced and complex the brain, the more unstable it is, and the more quickly it deteriorates."
·"Hyperspatially, the Galaxy is a point—and so is all the Universe. We have not visited any other galaxy, and, as far as we know, no intelligent species from another galaxy has ever visited us—but that state of affairs may end someday."
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 3308-9 | Added on 星期一, 四月 04, 2011, 07:12 上午
It seems to me to be quite conceivable that when a planetary society consists only of Isolates, local and even individual concerns might easily be allowed to overcome planetary concerns.”引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 3889-92 | Added on 星期二, 四月 05, 2011, 07:36 上午
Bliss was no longer looking at Trevize. It was as though she were talking to herself. “He is an Isolate. He is not selfless because he is a part of a greater whole. He is selfless because he is selfless. Do you understand me? He has all to lose and nothing to gain, and yet he is what he is. He shames me for being what I am without fear of loss, when he is what he is without hope of gain.”引自第528页
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- Highlight Loc. 4269-74 | Added on 星期二, 四月 05, 2011, 08:40 下午
Trevize said, “No, Bander, because we do not measure freedom by your standards.” “That is because you do not know what freedom is. You have never lived but in swarms, and you know no way of life but to be constantly forced, in even the smallest things, to bend your wills to those of others or, which is equally vile, to spend your days struggling to force others to bend their wills to yours. Where is any possible freedom there? Freedom is nothing if it is not to live as you wish! Exactly as you wish!引自第528页
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- Highlight Loc. 4280-84 | Added on 星期二, 四月 05, 2011, 08:43 下午
We adjusted our genes gingerly, delicately. We had failures, but some successes, and we capitalized on the successes. It took us many centuries, but we finally became whole human beings, incorporating both the masculine and feminine principles in one body, supplying our own complete pleasure at will, and producing, when we wished, fertilized eggs for development under skilled robotic care.” “Hermaphrodites,” said Pelorat.引自第528页
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- Highlight Loc. 4305 | Added on 星期二, 四月 05, 2011, 08:50 下午
half-human引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 4631-34 | Added on 星期三, 四月 06, 2011, 06:13 下午
“Even as we are, freedom is not truly absolute. If I were the only Solarian on the planet, I could do even shameful things in absolute freedom. But there are other Solarians on the planet, and, because of that, ideal freedom, though approached, is not actually reached. There are twelve hundred Solarians on the planet who would despise me if they knew what I had done.”引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 4680-81 | Added on 星期三, 四月 06, 2011, 10:28 下午
Bandar said, turning suddenly grim, “I must first be merciful to myself and to my world, and to do that, you must die.”引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5111-12 | Added on 星期四, 四月 07, 2011, 06:13 上午
“I almost had the proper method of control, and it wouldn’t give me the time. I had no choice but to strike and now all four are inactivated.引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5290 | Added on 星期四, 四月 07, 2011, 07:44 上午
Had he listened too long and too seriously to the fantasy of his own infallibility?
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5326-40 | Added on 星期四, 四月 07, 2011, 07:50 上午
I just don’t see the sense of it. Why handle the minds when you were perfectly capable of destroying them-as you finally did?” “Do you think it so easy to destroy an intelligent being?” Trevize’s lips twisted into an expression of distaste. “Come, Bliss. An intelligent being? It was just a robot.” “Just a robot?” A little passion entered her voice. “That’s he argument always. Just. Just! Why should the Solarian, Bander, have hesitated to kill us? We were just human beings without transducers. Why should there be any hesitation about leaving Fallom to its fate? It was just a Solarian, and an immature specimen at that. If you start dismissing anyone or anything you want to do away with as just a this or just a that, you can destroy anything you wish. There are always categories you can find for them.” Trevize said, “Don’t carry a perfectly legitimate remark to extremes just to make it seem ridiculous. The robot was just a robot. You can’t deny that. It was not human. It was not intelligent in our sense. It was a machine mimicking an appearance of intelligence.” Bliss said, “How easily you can talk when you know nothing about it. I am Gaia. Yes, I am Bliss, too, but I am Gaia. I am a world that finds every atom of itself precious and meaningful, and every organization of atoms even more precious and meaningful. I/we/Gaia would not lightly break down an organization, though we would gladly build it into something still more complex, provided always that that would not harm the whole.引自第528页
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and to be willing to destroy intelligence requires the sorest need. Whether it is machine intelligence or biochemical intelligence scarcely matters.引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5346-51 | Added on 星期四, 四月 07, 2011, 07:53 上午
See here-Suppose you were faced with a painting, a great artistic masterpiece, the existence of which meant death to you. All you had to do was to bring a wide brush of paint slam-bang, and at random, across the face of that painting and it would be destroyed forever, and you would be safe. But suppose, instead, that if you studied the painting carefully, and added just a touch of paint here, a speck there, scraped off a minute portion in a third place, and so on, you would alter the painting enough to avoid death, and yet leave it a masterpiece. Naturally, the revision couldn’t be done except with the most painstaking care. It would take time, but surely, if that time existed, you would try to save the painting as well as your life.”引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5439-43 | Added on 星期五, 四月 08, 2011, 05:43 上午
“Well, to begin with, we are Isolates, you and I.” “Her term, Janov. I prefer to think of us as individuals.” “A matter of semantics, old chap. Call it what you will, we are enclosed in our private skins surrounding our private thoughts, and we think first and foremost of ourselves. Self-defense is our first law of nature, even if that means harming everyone else in existence.”引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5953-54 | Added on 星期日, 四月 10, 2011, 07:10 上午
He felt himself in danger of growing philosophical and turned his attention away.引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 6609 | Added on 星期日, 四月 10, 2011, 03:52 下午
“but I’m not fascinated by her fascination.引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 7141-43 | Added on 星期二, 四月 12, 2011, 06:08 上午
“Erotomaniac? Come, Bliss. Twice on this entire trip. Twice!” “We were only on two worlds that had functioning human females on them. Two out of two, and we had only been a few hours on each.”引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 7320-21 | Added on 星期二, 四月 12, 2011, 05:49 下午
“Amphibious. They plan to develop gills in addition to lungs. They dream of being able to spend substantial periods of time underwater; of finding shallow regions and building structures on the ocean bottom.引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 7727-28 | Added on 星期三, 四月 13, 2011, 09:44 下午
“You certainly did when you pampered his male vanity so outrageously.”引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 8353-54 | Added on 星期四, 四月 14, 2011, 09:21 下午
“To someone who doesn’t know, it can’t be explained.”引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 8533-36 | Added on 星期四, 四月 14, 2011, 09:42 下午
“The First Law,” he said, “is this, sir: ‘A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.’ The Second Law: ‘A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.’ The Third Law: ‘A robot must protect its own existence, as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.’引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 8548-51 | Added on 星期四, 四月 14, 2011, 09:44 下午
The Zeroth Law is: ‘A robot may not injure humanity or, through inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.’ This automatically means that the First Law must be modified to be: ‘A robot may not injure a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm, except where that would conflict with the Zeroth Law.’ And similar modifications must be made in the Second and Third Laws.”引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 8732-34 | Added on 星期四, 四月 14, 2011, 10:11 下午
“Unfortunately, I knew nothing about Seldon’s Plan except for the two axioms on which it is based: one, that there be involved a large enough number of human beings to allow humanity to be treated statistically as a group of individuals interacting randomly; and second, 引自第528页
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 8734-35 | Added on 星期四, 四月 14, 2011, 10:11 下午
humanity not know the results of psychohistorical conclusions before the results are achieved.引自第528页
·New sensations have flooded her mind. She's seen space, different worlds, many people, all for the first time. ·Fallom said, "But when you take me back to Solaria I will power Jemby and all the rest of the robots, and I will be happy again." ·"The Galaxy is full of space stations and space settlements of infinite variety, to say nothing of spaceships, and they're all uninhabitable except fo...
2015-07-30 11:10
·New sensations have flooded her mind. She's seen space, different worlds, many people, all for the first time.
·Fallom said, "But when you take me back to Solaria I will power Jemby and all the rest of the robots, and I will be happy again."
·"The Galaxy is full of space stations and space settlements of infinite variety, to say nothing of spaceships, and they're all uninhabitable except for the interior. Consider the moon a gigantic spaceship."
·"They are human beings, but they have brains firmly inculcated with the equivalent of the Laws of Robotics. They have to value life, really value it."
·"The more advanced and complex the brain, the more unstable it is, and the more quickly it deteriorates."
·"Hyperspatially, the Galaxy is a point—and so is all the Universe. We have not visited any other galaxy, and, as far as we know, no intelligent species from another galaxy has ever visited us—but that state of affairs may end someday."
·For Galaxia, a member of an entirely different species of organization, to be better than the Second Galactic Empire, there must be a flaw in the Plan, something the great Hari Seldon had himself overlooked. ·I/We/Gaia would not lightly break down an organization, though we would gladly build it into something still more complex, provided always that that would not harm the whole. ·The high...
2015-07-30 10:40
·For Galaxia, a member of an entirely different species of organization, to be better than the Second Galactic Empire, there must be a flaw in the Plan, something the great Hari Seldon had himself overlooked.
·I/We/Gaia would not lightly break down an organization, though we would gladly build it into something still more complex, provided always that that would not harm the whole.
·The highest form of organization we know produces intelligence, and to be willing to destroy intelligence requires the sorest need. Whether it is machine intelligence or biochemical intelligence scarcely matters.
·Trevize thought resignedly that each person must find happiness in his or her own manner. ·"I said that we can block ourselves off in emergencies, but who would want to live that way, even for an hour?" ·"The intensity is low but the volume is so great that a large majority of Gaia's total memory is in its rocks." ·It had been his for merely a matter of a few months, but it seemed like hom...
2015-07-30 10:23
·Trevize thought resignedly that each person must find happiness in his or her own manner.
·"I said that we can block ourselves off in emergencies, but who would want to live that way, even for an hour?"
·"The intensity is low but the volume is so great that a large majority of Gaia's total memory is in its rocks."
·It had been his for merely a matter of a few months, but it seemed like home to him and he could only dimly remember what had once been his home in Terminus.
·"We have one starting point and, however feeble it might be, we have no choice but to follow it up."
基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25134-41 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 06:52 上午
“问题是,”特维兹说,“我的房子或飞船是去适应我,而不是我去适应它,如果我成为盖亚超级生命体的一部份,不管这个星球是如何完美的适应我,我都会发现其实是我在适应它的。” 佩罗瑞噘起嘴巴,“没人能否认每一种社会模式中的人都是自我适应的,社会中的风俗习惯象链子一样紧紧地把每个个体连在一起。” “在我所知的每一种社会形式里,个体可以反抗,总有不合群的人,甚至罪犯。” “你喜欢有不合群的人和罪犯?” “为什么不呢?你和我就是不合群的人,我们明显和生活在泰米洛斯星的人不是同一类型,至于罪犯,这只是定义不同的问题,如果罪犯是产生反抗者、异教徒和天才所必须的代价,那么我愿意付出这种代价,这是值得的。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25142-45 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 06:53 上午
“如果没有远离社会标准的人,就不会有天才和圣人,我不知道如果都按照一个标准行事,那么怎么会产生天才呢?事物总是有两面性的。而且,我需要一个更好的原因让我决定选择盖亚模式作为人类未来存在的形式,而不仅仅是想选择它作为我建一所舒适房子的模式。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25258-59 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 07:03 上午
“也许吧,但即使我的快乐是贫乏的,我也想拥有自己的快乐和悲伤,我对这很满意。它们虽然是贫乏的,但它们是我自己的感觉,而不是你的那些血肉兄弟矿石的感觉。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25262-63 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 07:03 上午
我不介意整个盖亚分享你的快乐,布里斯,但我不想分享它,我们一起住在这个窄小的空间里,我不想被迫分享你的感觉,即使是间接的。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25327-30 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 07:12 上午
“是的,但你再想想,让我们假定一个有着人类级别的意识和思维的单细胞生物体,它现在面对着成为一个多细胞生物体的机会,这个单细胞生物体难道不会因失去它们的独立性而感到伤感,不会对迫使它们加入到一个多细胞生物体的来临而感到莫大的怨恨吗?它们这样做不会是错的吗?一个孤单的细胞可以想象出人类的大脑所拥有的强大能力吗?”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25345-46 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 01:50 下午
我想我有些更幼稚的原因,我是因为感觉到你对这事特别感兴趣,所以才没告诉你。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25310-25 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 01:53 下午
“特维兹,你可是故意误会我的意思,我是说,你应该试试一两分钟,你不会有任何损失的。这种滋味无法形容,布里斯说这是一种愉快的感觉,就象你在渴得快死的时候给你喝下大量的水一样的舒畅,我也不知道该怎么向你形容。你可以分享上亿个的生命体不同的感受,这种快感并不是一成不变的,如果它是这样的话你很快就会厌烦的。它不断地振动着、闪烁着、变化着——产生一种奇特的节奏让你无法离开。这种快感比你单独一人体验的快感要多—— 不,不只是多,个人的快感与之相比就象是沧海一栗。当她中止了我的融合时,我差点因舍不得而流下眼泪——” 特维兹摇着头,“你的口才真厉害,我的老朋友,不过这听起来好象你是在吸食一种毒品,它可以让你在短期内感觉快乐,代价却是长期的恐惧。我不会这样做的!我不会为获得短期的快乐而放弃我的独立性。” “我仍然是独立的,特维兹。” “如果你持续地进行这种体验,你的独立还能保持多久?老佩,你会乞求越来越多的毒品直到最后你的大脑被毁坏为止。你不应该让布里斯这样对你——或许我最好和她谈谈这事。” “别!不要!你知道我不想她受到伤害。我向你保证她会很小心谨慎的照顾我,她对造成我大脑损害的可能性甚至比我更加关注,你要相信我。” “好吧,那么,我要对你说,老佩,不要再这样做了。你已经用自己的方式生活了52年了,你的大脑已经适应了这种生活体验,不要突然转变你的生活方式,这会产生严重的后果,就算不是即时的,也会逐渐的对你造成伤害。” “好的,特维兹。”佩罗瑞低声说。他低头看着自己鞋子的顶端,然后说:“或许你该从这个角度来想,假设你是一个单细胞的生物”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25370-73 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 02:00 下午
“这不好吗?还是盖亚必须得吃它自己?(盖亚的食物也是盖亚超级生命的一部份——译者著)” 布里斯叹了口气:“实际上,我们有句老话——当盖亚吃盖亚,无所失也无所得。只不过是让这些食物的生命意识在它原来的等级中进行高低转换。在盖亚上,不管我吃了什么,它还是盖亚的一部份,即使它的大部份物质通过新陈代谢成为我的一部份,它仍然是盖亚。事实上,我吃下去的食物有一部份在成为我的一份子后有机会参与到更高级的生命意识里,当然,同时另一部份会成为废弃的物质从而降低了它的生命意识层次。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25376-79 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 02:00 下午
她狠狠地咬了一口她的食物,用力地咀嚼了一会,然后把它咽了下去,说:“这代表着一个巨大的循环,植物生长后被动物吃掉,动物吃掉动物或自己被吃掉,所有的生物体死后都会分解成原子、细菌或诸如此类的物质——但它们仍然还是盖亚。在这个巨大的意识循环里,即使是无机物也能够参与到其中,循环中的每一样事物都会有机会周期性的参与到比自己更高等级的生命意识层次。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25426 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 10:34 下午
有的更是把它叫做‘月亮世界(Mooned World)’,有权威著作说这很有可能是根据它那巨大的卫星而命名的,但有人说这代表着‘被抛弃的世界’,因为‘Mooned’这个词在古银河语中读作‘Marooned’,意思是遗失的或被抛弃的。
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25522-23 | Added on 星期一, 三月 28, 2011, 10:43 下午
“那么,对我来说,一个和人类无法区别的机器人就是人,如果你是这样的机器人,对我来说你就是真实的人类。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25617-22 | Added on 星期二, 三月 29, 2011, 07:10 上午
千篇一律的情况是让人无法忍受的。” 布里斯说:“如果多样性是大家都需要的,那么它会被保留下来。” “作为中央委员会的一个小礼物?或者该怎么说呢?”特维兹冷淡地说:“或者说是作为他们加入到盖亚的一个优惠政策?我宁愿象现在这样自然一点更好。” “但没有一个世界是完全自然的,每个有人居住的世界都被改造过了,直到它适合人类居住为止。如果康普力伦星过于寒冷,我能肯定这是因为使它变得暖和的代价非常昂贵,他们的居民负担不起。即使如此,我想在他们所居住区域的气候也一定被会被改造成比较暖和。所以请不要把所谓的自然抬得那么高。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25625-31 | Added on 星期二, 三月 29, 2011, 07:12 上午
“既然盖亚对自身的优越性如此肯定,为什么你们还需要我来作结论呢?为什么你们干脆不理会我的判断而自行其事呢?” 布里斯沉默了一会,仿佛在理清她的思绪,然后说:“因为过多的相信自己是不明智的,我们当然会看到自己的优点多过缺点,我们很希望去做正确的事,而不是去做感觉是正确的事,但什么才是正确的呢,有客观正确的事实存在吗?你是我们所能找到的最为接近客观正确事实的人,因此我们决定由你来引导我们。” “客观正确?”特维兹自嘲地说:“连我自己还不能理解自己作出的结论,我得去寻找能够说服我的理由。” “你会找到的。”布里斯说。
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25863-67 | Added on 星期二, 三月 29, 2011, 09:59 下午
布里斯阴着脸,“你在开玩笑吧?” “不,我是认真的。”特维兹说,“我不是说肯泽让我们通过仅仅是为了帮老佩避免惹怒他的妻子,男人间的义气可能只是起到推波助澜的作用。” “但这太可怕了,正是有了规章制度,才能使社会联合成一个整体。难道就为了这么微不足道的原因就可以不遵守规则吗?”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 25870-80 | Added on 星期二, 三月 29, 2011, 10:01 下午
“这不是关键,如果我们只遵守那些我们认为是公平合理的规则,那根本就没有规则而言,因为没有一条规则会没有人说它是不公开和不合理的。如果我们把个人的自由看得太重——就象你一样,那么对一些限制我们自由的规则,我们总是有借口说它是不公开和不合理的。从此以后,你们这些‘精明’的人会将社会弄得混乱不堪,最后变得溃崩,那时就算是最‘精明’的人也无法生存了。” 特维兹说:“一个社会是不会这么容易崩溃的,你们盖亚是不可能理解非盖亚世界的社会组成。一条制定的时候是公平合理的规则,当环境变化时,它仍然在起作用,即使它已经不再合理,人们也会习惯的去遵循它。违反这样的规则就是在宣称它们已经不再有用——甚至实际上有害的。” “那每一个小偷和杀人犯都可以争辩说制裁他们的规则已经不再适用了。” “你走向极端了,在盖亚这个超级联合生命体中,对每一条规则大家都会毫无保留的接受并遵守它,也可以说盖亚是一成不变和陈腐的。无可否认,在我们这样的孤立社会中有很多不遵守规则的人,但这是保持创造力和多样性所付出的代价——从整体上看,这个代价是可以接受的。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 26267-68 | Added on 星期三, 三月 30, 2011, 01:29 下午
“梦想或许是不能实现的,但它仍然是个梦想。泰米洛斯,在银河的最边缘,它只有五百年的历史,比任何的世界都要短,但它事实上统治着整个银河。难道康普力伦就不可以吗?
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 26310-13 | Added on 星期三, 三月 30, 2011, 01:33 下午
莉露莎说,“你用的是不确定语态,这艘船‘可能’不再有用。这对我们毫无意义。” “我可以向你作出确定的承诺,但这对你们来说又有什么意义呢?事实上正因为我的承诺是谨慎的,这说明我至少是有诚意的。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 26623-26 | Added on 星期三, 三月 30, 2011, 09:58 下午
迪尼多松驰下来,笑着说,“荒唐,先生们。我们这样做只是因为习惯,在偏远的地区这或许是对他们的侵犯,但在大多数地方,这个风俗早已废弃。我还不知道有哪个康普力伦人在生气和震惊时不说‘地球’这个字眼,它是我们最常用的粗话。”
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基地(全集) (艾萨克·阿西莫夫)
- Highlight Loc. 26662-63 | Added on 星期四, 三月 31, 2011, 06:07 上午
“没有证据显示有这样一场战争。常见的观点,甚至于众所周知的事情,就它本身而言,并不是证据。” “会是别的原因造成的吗?”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 3308-9 | Added on 星期一, 四月 04, 2011, 07:12 上午
It seems to me to be quite conceivable that when a planetary society consists only of Isolates, local and even individual concerns might easily be allowed to overcome planetary concerns.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 3889-92 | Added on 星期二, 四月 05, 2011, 07:36 上午
Bliss was no longer looking at Trevize. It was as though she were talking to herself. “He is an Isolate. He is not selfless because he is a part of a greater whole. He is selfless because he is selfless. Do you understand me? He has all to lose and nothing to gain, and yet he is what he is. He shames me for being what I am without fear of loss, when he is what he is without hope of gain.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 4269-74 | Added on 星期二, 四月 05, 2011, 08:40 下午
Trevize said, “No, Bander, because we do not measure freedom by your standards.” “That is because you do not know what freedom is. You have never lived but in swarms, and you know no way of life but to be constantly forced, in even the smallest things, to bend your wills to those of others or, which is equally vile, to spend your days struggling to force others to bend their wills to yours. Where is any possible freedom there? Freedom is nothing if it is not to live as you wish! Exactly as you wish!
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 4280-84 | Added on 星期二, 四月 05, 2011, 08:43 下午
We adjusted our genes gingerly, delicately. We had failures, but some successes, and we capitalized on the successes. It took us many centuries, but we finally became whole human beings, incorporating both the masculine and feminine principles in one body, supplying our own complete pleasure at will, and producing, when we wished, fertilized eggs for development under skilled robotic care.” “Hermaphrodites,” said Pelorat.
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 4305 | Added on 星期二, 四月 05, 2011, 08:50 下午
half-human
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 4631-34 | Added on 星期三, 四月 06, 2011, 06:13 下午
“Even as we are, freedom is not truly absolute. If I were the only Solarian on the planet, I could do even shameful things in absolute freedom. But there are other Solarians on the planet, and, because of that, ideal freedom, though approached, is not actually reached. There are twelve hundred Solarians on the planet who would despise me if they knew what I had done.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 4680-81 | Added on 星期三, 四月 06, 2011, 10:28 下午
Bandar said, turning suddenly grim, “I must first be merciful to myself and to my world, and to do that, you must die.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5111-12 | Added on 星期四, 四月 07, 2011, 06:13 上午
“I almost had the proper method of control, and it wouldn’t give me the time. I had no choice but to strike and now all four are inactivated.
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5290 | Added on 星期四, 四月 07, 2011, 07:44 上午
Had he listened too long and too seriously to the fantasy of his own infallibility?
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5326-40 | Added on 星期四, 四月 07, 2011, 07:50 上午
I just don’t see the sense of it. Why handle the minds when you were perfectly capable of destroying them-as you finally did?” “Do you think it so easy to destroy an intelligent being?” Trevize’s lips twisted into an expression of distaste. “Come, Bliss. An intelligent being? It was just a robot.” “Just a robot?” A little passion entered her voice. “That’s he argument always. Just. Just! Why should the Solarian, Bander, have hesitated to kill us? We were just human beings without transducers. Why should there be any hesitation about leaving Fallom to its fate? It was just a Solarian, and an immature specimen at that. If you start dismissing anyone or anything you want to do away with as just a this or just a that, you can destroy anything you wish. There are always categories you can find for them.” Trevize said, “Don’t carry a perfectly legitimate remark to extremes just to make it seem ridiculous. The robot was just a robot. You can’t deny that. It was not human. It was not intelligent in our sense. It was a machine mimicking an appearance of intelligence.” Bliss said, “How easily you can talk when you know nothing about it. I am Gaia. Yes, I am Bliss, too, but I am Gaia. I am a world that finds every atom of itself precious and meaningful, and every organization of atoms even more precious and meaningful. I/we/Gaia would not lightly break down an organization, though we would gladly build it into something still more complex, provided always that that would not harm the whole.
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and to be willing to destroy intelligence requires the sorest need. Whether it is machine intelligence or biochemical intelligence scarcely matters.
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5346-51 | Added on 星期四, 四月 07, 2011, 07:53 上午
See here-Suppose you were faced with a painting, a great artistic masterpiece, the existence of which meant death to you. All you had to do was to bring a wide brush of paint slam-bang, and at random, across the face of that painting and it would be destroyed forever, and you would be safe. But suppose, instead, that if you studied the painting carefully, and added just a touch of paint here, a speck there, scraped off a minute portion in a third place, and so on, you would alter the painting enough to avoid death, and yet leave it a masterpiece. Naturally, the revision couldn’t be done except with the most painstaking care. It would take time, but surely, if that time existed, you would try to save the painting as well as your life.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5439-43 | Added on 星期五, 四月 08, 2011, 05:43 上午
“Well, to begin with, we are Isolates, you and I.” “Her term, Janov. I prefer to think of us as individuals.” “A matter of semantics, old chap. Call it what you will, we are enclosed in our private skins surrounding our private thoughts, and we think first and foremost of ourselves. Self-defense is our first law of nature, even if that means harming everyone else in existence.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 5953-54 | Added on 星期日, 四月 10, 2011, 07:10 上午
He felt himself in danger of growing philosophical and turned his attention away.
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 6609 | Added on 星期日, 四月 10, 2011, 03:52 下午
“but I’m not fascinated by her fascination.
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 7141-43 | Added on 星期二, 四月 12, 2011, 06:08 上午
“Erotomaniac? Come, Bliss. Twice on this entire trip. Twice!” “We were only on two worlds that had functioning human females on them. Two out of two, and we had only been a few hours on each.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 7320-21 | Added on 星期二, 四月 12, 2011, 05:49 下午
“Amphibious. They plan to develop gills in addition to lungs. They dream of being able to spend substantial periods of time underwater; of finding shallow regions and building structures on the ocean bottom.
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 7727-28 | Added on 星期三, 四月 13, 2011, 09:44 下午
“You certainly did when you pampered his male vanity so outrageously.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 8353-54 | Added on 星期四, 四月 14, 2011, 09:21 下午
“To someone who doesn’t know, it can’t be explained.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 8533-36 | Added on 星期四, 四月 14, 2011, 09:42 下午
“The First Law,” he said, “is this, sir: ‘A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.’ The Second Law: ‘A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.’ The Third Law: ‘A robot must protect its own existence, as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.’
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 8548-51 | Added on 星期四, 四月 14, 2011, 09:44 下午
The Zeroth Law is: ‘A robot may not injure humanity or, through inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.’ This automatically means that the First Law must be modified to be: ‘A robot may not injure a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm, except where that would conflict with the Zeroth Law.’ And similar modifications must be made in the Second and Third Laws.”
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 8732-34 | Added on 星期四, 四月 14, 2011, 10:11 下午
“Unfortunately, I knew nothing about Seldon’s Plan except for the two axioms on which it is based: one, that there be involved a large enough number of human beings to allow humanity to be treated statistically as a group of individuals interacting randomly; and second,
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Foundation and Earth - Isaac Asimov
- Highlight Loc. 8734-35 | Added on 星期四, 四月 14, 2011, 10:11 下午
humanity not know the results of psychohistorical conclusions before the results are achieved.
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五个星球的游记,串成了人类黑暗森林的图谱……最后的包袱抖的有点懵……
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K13: 184.8 + 29.3 = 214.1( 前半中文;后半英文)人类终将走向何方?在GAIA上,人与周围的一切事物融为一体,独立性丧失、没有了隐私,但你中有我,我中有你,没有歧视和分歧。在COMPERELLON上,气候恶劣,等级森严,人以软弱为耻,女性也成为了“硬汉”。在AURORA上,还原了一个星球中没有人类的场景,野蛮,弱肉强食的丛林法则。在SOLARIA上,人与人取得绝对独立,个体... K13: 184.8 + 29.3 = 214.1( 前半中文;后半英文)人类终将走向何方?在GAIA上,人与周围的一切事物融为一体,独立性丧失、没有了隐私,但你中有我,我中有你,没有歧视和分歧。在COMPERELLON上,气候恶劣,等级森严,人以软弱为耻,女性也成为了“硬汉”。在AURORA上,还原了一个星球中没有人类的场景,野蛮,弱肉强食的丛林法则。在SOLARIA上,人与人取得绝对独立,个体利用机器人在广阔的个人疆域上自给自足,同时人也变成了雌雄同体,连繁衍后代的相互依赖也省去了。在ALPHA上,人用环保的方式享受自然的赐予,但是却要用病菌的方式将外星球的人杀死,以保持自己的平衡。看来人类无论如何发展,前景都不甚乐观啊!这还真是个难解的题! (展开)
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基地系列时间轴上最后一部。 情节方面略有些不合理。特别是近结局的时候,有些人为制造冲突和戏剧化的嫌疑。
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这本看下来是真折磨人。冗长+审美疲劳。即使最后一章丹尼尔出来也挽不了尊了。Trevize在整本书里显得十分令人讨厌,特别是对孩子和女性的态度,表现出来的全是道理,争辩和情绪。 增加了船戏,没什么意思。Hermaphroditism的设定有点诡异。 活着的意义?绝对自由还是集体意志?还有贯穿整个银河帝国的问题:Why not leave the Galaxy to itself? 最后的结局不能让... 这本看下来是真折磨人。冗长+审美疲劳。即使最后一章丹尼尔出来也挽不了尊了。Trevize在整本书里显得十分令人讨厌,特别是对孩子和女性的态度,表现出来的全是道理,争辩和情绪。 增加了船戏,没什么意思。Hermaphroditism的设定有点诡异。 活着的意义?绝对自由还是集体意志?还有贯穿整个银河帝国的问题:Why not leave the Galaxy to itself? 最后的结局不能让人满意。 (展开)
0 有用 Солярис 2021-02-10
To better serve humanity, robots remold mankind to serve their serving purpose. 继生物学沦为历史学后,统计学之光the Seldon's Plan也被揭露为骗局,anti-climax又别出心裁。我很想吐槽人类中心主义、male vanity、缺少生物安全措施(但有时又像推动剧情的伏笔),以及过多的无意义对白。大段论点... To better serve humanity, robots remold mankind to serve their serving purpose. 继生物学沦为历史学后,统计学之光the Seldon's Plan也被揭露为骗局,anti-climax又别出心裁。我很想吐槽人类中心主义、male vanity、缺少生物安全措施(但有时又像推动剧情的伏笔),以及过多的无意义对白。大段论点相似的free will/collective优劣辩论很乏味,还是三部曲的简洁叙述和长时间跨度更讨喜一些:历史长河中匆匆掠过的插曲,回溯性的银河百科,敏锐而有历史局限性的人。 (展开)
0 有用 KHA里烂坨 2021-02-17
除了牛逼我还能说什么……
0 有用 Солярис 2021-02-10
To better serve humanity, robots remold mankind to serve their serving purpose. 继生物学沦为历史学后,统计学之光the Seldon's Plan也被揭露为骗局,anti-climax又别出心裁。我很想吐槽人类中心主义、male vanity、缺少生物安全措施(但有时又像推动剧情的伏笔),以及过多的无意义对白。大段论点... To better serve humanity, robots remold mankind to serve their serving purpose. 继生物学沦为历史学后,统计学之光the Seldon's Plan也被揭露为骗局,anti-climax又别出心裁。我很想吐槽人类中心主义、male vanity、缺少生物安全措施(但有时又像推动剧情的伏笔),以及过多的无意义对白。大段论点相似的free will/collective优劣辩论很乏味,还是三部曲的简洁叙述和长时间跨度更讨喜一些:历史长河中匆匆掠过的插曲,回溯性的银河百科,敏锐而有历史局限性的人。 (展开)
0 有用 AROGUE 2020-12-23
比起前几部这本更像太空冒险小说,还是挺喜欢里面对个人主义和集体意志的反复探讨,Solaria和Gaia不过是极与极。最后的结局有些乏力,但靠universe也算扳回一城,印象最深的还是Trevize的辩解,如果罪犯是我们要为反抗者、异教徒和天才所付出的代价,I demand the price be paid.
0 有用 FellSpirit 2020-04-23
看完最后一页一口老血吐出来,我为什么要看sequel毁童年QAQ
0 有用 Sherlock0726 2020-04-17
这本看下来是真折磨人。冗长+审美疲劳。即使最后一章丹尼尔出来也挽不了尊了。Trevize在整本书里显得十分令人讨厌,特别是对孩子和女性的态度,表现出来的全是道理,争辩和情绪。 增加了船戏,没什么意思。Hermaphroditism的设定有点诡异。 活着的意义?绝对自由还是集体意志?还有贯穿整个银河帝国的问题:Why not leave the Galaxy to itself? 最后的结局不能让... 这本看下来是真折磨人。冗长+审美疲劳。即使最后一章丹尼尔出来也挽不了尊了。Trevize在整本书里显得十分令人讨厌,特别是对孩子和女性的态度,表现出来的全是道理,争辩和情绪。 增加了船戏,没什么意思。Hermaphroditism的设定有点诡异。 活着的意义?绝对自由还是集体意志?还有贯穿整个银河帝国的问题:Why not leave the Galaxy to itself? 最后的结局不能让人满意。 (展开)