Name: Discourses on Livy
ISBN: 9780226500362

作者: Niccolò Machiavelli
出版社: University Of Chicago Press
译者: Harvey C. Mansfield / Nathan Tarcov
出版年: 1998-01-28
页数: 424
定价: USD 20.00
装帧: Paperback
ISBN: 9780226500362

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The Discourses on Livy (Discorsi sopra la prima deca di Tito Livio, Discourses on the First Decade of Titus Livy) is a work of political history and philosophy composed in the early 16th century by the famed Florentine public servant and political theorist Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527), best known as the author of The Prince. Where The Prince is devoted to advising the ruler ...

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Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli (3 May 1469 – 21 June 1527) was an Italian philosopher, writer, and politician and is considered one of the main founders of modern political science.[1] He was a diplomat, political philosopher, musician, poet and playwright, but, foremost, he was a civil servant of the Florentine Republic. In June of 1498, after the ouster and execution of ...

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人有嫉贤妒能的天性，故发现新方式和新秩序的危险，历来不亚于寻觅未知的水源和沃土，此乃人皆善于指摘而非褒扬他人的行为使然 (查看原文)

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我认为，造成此种状况的，主要不是当今的宗教使世界羸弱不堪，或贪婪的惰怠给众多基督教地区或城市带来的罪孽，而是缺少真正的历史见识，在阅读史书时既无感悟，亦品不出其中的真谛 (查看原文)

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严正指控这个“伪译本”

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提醒广大书友，这个所谓“最新中译本”中的《论李维》完全抄袭、改写自吉林出版集团《马基雅维利全集》中的《李维史论》。据悉，原译者薛军博士、吉林出版集团、策划编辑刘训练博士近期将向法院对湖南文艺出版社和炮制这本书的图书公司提起诉讼，敬请广大书友关注！同时，也... (展开)

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子非鱼 2011-06-15 21:38:00 上海人民出版社2005版

古典道德与共和主义者的千年理想

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哲学家脱离所处的思想环境，就无法思考哲学上的最高主题。这样看来，哲学家关心政治并非在做超领域的工作——在国家危难之际，一个哲学家甚至必须全神贯注于政治。阅读马基雅维里《论李维》时，我们不可避免地涉及到文艺复兴时代。14世纪后期，以彼得拉克、薄伽丘等杰出人物... (展开)

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江绪林 2012-11-07 14:53:16 上海人民出版社2012版

马基雅维利：《论李维（Discourses on Livy）》摘要

【按语：马基雅维利的《论李维》通过评注李维的史书《自建城以来》，以夹叙夹议的方式进行史论，考察了古罗马建城以来的伟大政治宏业及其经验教训，其间特别比照了古罗马的尊严荣耀和今日意大利的凋敝沉沦。共3卷，卷1考察了罗马共和时期官方的谋略和决策；卷2考察了罗马建立大... (展开)

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江绪林 2012-11-01 23:53:56 吉林出版集团有限责任公司2011版

马基雅维利（Machiavelli）：《君主论（The Prince）》摘要

【按语：马基雅维利（1469-1527）将《君主论》（1512）献给佛罗伦萨的统治者Lorenzo de’ Medici。《君主论》是《论李维》的一个分支或较小的姊妹篇。小清新，很简单。就其谋略论述而言，与亚里士多德《政治学》卷4-6差不多是异曲同工，并不更让人心惊胆战。在区分了共和国和... (展开)

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颜悦 2013-01-31 16:14:01 上海人民出版社2012版

共和法治的缔造者和初始时刻

来源：华夏时报时间：2013年1月30日美国加州圣玛利学院教授徐贲所谓“宪政”，宪就是法，政就是治，宪政也就是法治。任何一个共和国都有缔造者和初始时刻，共和国的开创者以立法来奠定它的宪政制度。美国人把缔建他们民主共和制度的先贤们称为“建国之父”，他们... (展开)

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御景居士 2013-09-12 09:46:28 上海人民出版社2005版

从经验主义与功利主义剖析罗马共和国

这部作品用大量的史实，赞颂罗马共和国的优良制度和罗马贵族、人民的德行。与近代作品相比，它不是建构在人文精神、道德的基础上，而是奠基于功利主义。马基雅维利绝不人云亦云，观察、剖析历史角度独特、深刻锐利，象一把锐利的手术刀，常有惊世骇俗观点，然而细细品味确有其... (展开)

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豆丁向前冲 2011-05-05 13:26:29 吉林出版集团有限责任公司2011版

毁誉参半的奇书

毁誉参半的奇书聂文聪巴克纳·比·特拉维克说：“人们经常断章取义以证明作者道德沦丧，这种做法对于马基雅维利的整个论题来说有失公平和公正。我们必须承认，他将国家利益提升到了个人利益之上。” 莎士比亚称这本书的作者为“阴险狡诈、口是心非、背信弃义、残暴无情的... (展开)

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Nieaaa 2009-10-11 10:52:32 上海人民出版社2005版

罗马城邦的金字塔

在本书中，马基雅维利以自己由现实政治状况引发的思考注解了李维的罗马史，从而重新建构出一套罗马城邦政治体系的金字塔式结构。这套金字塔式结构的核心，便是马基雅维利所认为的“三制合一”的政体，即君主制、贵族制和民主制混合的政体。这种关于政体的观念，... (展开)

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青 2009-06-23 09:01:02 上海人民出版社2005版

初看论李维

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这本书我没有读完，但我还是觉得是做政治的人必须读的一本好书。书中讲述了在古罗马如何通过执政官、护民官和元老院三者的协调来实现共和制。也讲了很多君主制和共和制的不同。还说了一些治理国家的手段，这些手段很实用，但在我看来却觉得很吃惊。比如如果要维护好一个国家持... (展开)

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张弛 2013-07-27 16:34:02 吉林出版集团有限责任公司2011版

东西方厚黑始祖得到不同

马基雅维利(公元1465年～1527年)与韩非(公元前280年～前233年)都是世界政治思想史上伟大的政治思想家。尽管他们生活的时代各异，地域不同，但他们都生活在一个社会大变革的时代。马基雅维利生活在意大利封建割据、四分五裂、内忧外患、朝代更迭的时代。当时的意大利半岛上，有... (展开)

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I.27: Very Rarely Do Men Know How to Be Altogether Wicked or Altogether Good

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So Giovampagolo, who did not mind being incestuous and a public parricide, did not know how—or, to say better, did not dare, when he had just the opportunity for it—to engage in an enterprise in which everyone would have admired his spirit and that would have left an eternal memory of himself as being the first who had demonstrated to the prelates how little is to be esteemed whoever lives an...
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So Giovampagolo, who did not mind being incestuous and a public parricide, did not know how—or, to say better, did not dare, when he had just the opportunity for it—to engage in an enterprise in which everyone would have admired his spirit and that would have left an eternal memory of himself as being the first who had demonstrated to the prelates how little is to be esteemed whoever lives and reigns as they do; and he would have done a thing whose greatness would have surpassed all infamy, every danger, that could have proceeded from it.
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I am not a moralist, and I always believe that "Macht geht vor Recht"—provided the rarely-met condition that one's power (in its broadest possible sense) is tremendous enough. Whether the One meets this condition, I highly doubt.

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I.7 How Far Accusations May Be Necessary in a Republic to Maintain It in Freedom

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So one can conclude this: Whenever one sees that alien forces are called in by a party of men living in a city, one can believe it arises from its bad orders, because inside that wall there is no order able, without extraordinary modes, to vent the malignant humors that arise in men. 简言之：苍蝇不叮无缝的蛋。要不是自己治理不善、把自己人逼得无路可走，也招不来那么多境外势力。   (2回应)
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So one can conclude this: Whenever one sees that alien forces are called in by a party of men living in a city, one can believe it arises from its bad orders, because inside that wall there is no order able, without extraordinary modes, to vent the malignant humors that arise in men.
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简言之：苍蝇不叮无缝的蛋。要不是自己治理不善、把自己人逼得无路可走，也招不来那么多境外势力。

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第307页第三卷第48章

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这是篇非常应景的笔记。这一章节的标题已点明了本章主旨： When One Sees a Great Error Made by an Enemy, One Ought to Believe That There Is a Deception Underneath 马基雅维利首先要表达的意思是，如果敌人留下了明显的破绽，那一定要小心，因为这很可能是个引蛇出洞的陷阱： Here one can advantageously note that a captain of armies ought not to put faith in an error that the enemy is evidently seen to make,...
2014-12-30 16:25

这是篇非常应景的笔记。这一章节的标题已点明了本章主旨：
When One Sees a Great Error Made by an Enemy, One Ought to Believe That There Is a Deception Underneath
引自第三卷第48章
马基雅维利首先要表达的意思是，如果敌人留下了明显的破绽，那一定要小心，因为这很可能是个引蛇出洞的陷阱：
Here one can advantageously note that a captain of armies ought not to put faith in an error that the enemy is evidently seen to make, for fraud will always be underneath it, as it is not reasonable that men be so incautious.
引自第三卷第48章
而他接下来又说：
But often the desire to conquer blinds the spirits of men, who do not see but what appears to be done for them.
引自第三卷第48章
人们太容易中了敌人的诡计，而这是人性使然，因为人们的征服欲是一直存在的（见第一卷第5章、第三卷第46章）。然而受制于这一欲望而犯了错误、将“看似是的”当成”实际是的“，对于马基雅维利而言并不值得同情——因为这本是可以靠人力避免的（见第二卷第29章、《君主论》第25章）。从这个角度讲，实际本章节的标题还可以从另一个角度来理解，那就是我们的欲望本身所具有的欺骗性： Is it that our enemies do MAKE an error, or merely that we SEE them make an error? Does the deception lie underneath the error that our enemies do make, or merely underneath our seeing their making an error?

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第307页第三卷第48章

装睡的人

这是篇非常应景的笔记。这一章节的标题已点明了本章主旨： When One Sees a Great Error Made by an Enemy, One Ought to Believe That There Is a Deception Underneath 马基雅维利首先要表达的意思是，如果敌人留下了明显的破绽，那一定要小心，因为这很可能是个引蛇出洞的陷阱： Here one can advantageously note that a captain of armies ought not to put faith in an error that the enemy is evidently seen to make,...
2014-12-30 16:25

这是篇非常应景的笔记。这一章节的标题已点明了本章主旨：
When One Sees a Great Error Made by an Enemy, One Ought to Believe That There Is a Deception Underneath
引自第三卷第48章
马基雅维利首先要表达的意思是，如果敌人留下了明显的破绽，那一定要小心，因为这很可能是个引蛇出洞的陷阱：
Here one can advantageously note that a captain of armies ought not to put faith in an error that the enemy is evidently seen to make, for fraud will always be underneath it, as it is not reasonable that men be so incautious.
引自第三卷第48章
而他接下来又说：
But often the desire to conquer blinds the spirits of men, who do not see but what appears to be done for them.
引自第三卷第48章
人们太容易中了敌人的诡计，而这是人性使然，因为人们的征服欲是一直存在的（见第一卷第5章、第三卷第46章）。然而受制于这一欲望而犯了错误、将“看似是的”当成”实际是的“，对于马基雅维利而言并不值得同情——因为这本是可以靠人力避免的（见第二卷第29章、《君主论》第25章）。从这个角度讲，实际本章节的标题还可以从另一个角度来理解，那就是我们的欲望本身所具有的欺骗性： Is it that our enemies do MAKE an error, or merely that we SEE them make an error? Does the deception lie underneath the error that our enemies do make, or merely underneath our seeing their making an error?

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I.27: Very Rarely Do Men Know How to Be Altogether Wicked or Altogether Good

装睡的人

So Giovampagolo, who did not mind being incestuous and a public parricide, did not know how—or, to say better, did not dare, when he had just the opportunity for it—to engage in an enterprise in which everyone would have admired his spirit and that would have left an eternal memory of himself as being the first who had demonstrated to the prelates how little is to be esteemed whoever lives an...
2020-01-10 12:22 1人喜欢

So Giovampagolo, who did not mind being incestuous and a public parricide, did not know how—or, to say better, did not dare, when he had just the opportunity for it—to engage in an enterprise in which everyone would have admired his spirit and that would have left an eternal memory of himself as being the first who had demonstrated to the prelates how little is to be esteemed whoever lives and reigns as they do; and he would have done a thing whose greatness would have surpassed all infamy, every danger, that could have proceeded from it.
引自第63页
I am not a moralist, and I always believe that "Macht geht vor Recht"—provided the rarely-met condition that one's power (in its broadest possible sense) is tremendous enough. Whether the One meets this condition, I highly doubt.

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I.7 How Far Accusations May Be Necessary in a Republic to Maintain It in Freedom

装睡的人

So one can conclude this: Whenever one sees that alien forces are called in by a party of men living in a city, one can believe it arises from its bad orders, because inside that wall there is no order able, without extraordinary modes, to vent the malignant humors that arise in men. 简言之：苍蝇不叮无缝的蛋。要不是自己治理不善、把自己人逼得无路可走，也招不来那么多境外势力。   (2回应)
2020-01-05 00:18   1人喜欢

So one can conclude this: Whenever one sees that alien forces are called in by a party of men living in a city, one can believe it arises from its bad orders, because inside that wall there is no order able, without extraordinary modes, to vent the malignant humors that arise in men.
引自第25页
简言之：苍蝇不叮无缝的蛋。要不是自己治理不善、把自己人逼得无路可走，也招不来那么多境外势力。

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I.27: Very Rarely Do Men Know How to Be Altogether Wicked or Altogether Good

装睡的人

So Giovampagolo, who did not mind being incestuous and a public parricide, did not know how—or, to say better, did not dare, when he had just the opportunity for it—to engage in an enterprise in which everyone would have admired his spirit and that would have left an eternal memory of himself as being the first who had demonstrated to the prelates how little is to be esteemed whoever lives an...
2020-01-10 12:22 1人喜欢

So Giovampagolo, who did not mind being incestuous and a public parricide, did not know how—or, to say better, did not dare, when he had just the opportunity for it—to engage in an enterprise in which everyone would have admired his spirit and that would have left an eternal memory of himself as being the first who had demonstrated to the prelates how little is to be esteemed whoever lives and reigns as they do; and he would have done a thing whose greatness would have surpassed all infamy, every danger, that could have proceeded from it.
引自第63页
I am not a moralist, and I always believe that "Macht geht vor Recht"—provided the rarely-met condition that one's power (in its broadest possible sense) is tremendous enough. Whether the One meets this condition, I highly doubt.

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I.7 How Far Accusations May Be Necessary in a Republic to Maintain It in Freedom

装睡的人

So one can conclude this: Whenever one sees that alien forces are called in by a party of men living in a city, one can believe it arises from its bad orders, because inside that wall there is no order able, without extraordinary modes, to vent the malignant humors that arise in men. 简言之：苍蝇不叮无缝的蛋。要不是自己治理不善、把自己人逼得无路可走，也招不来那么多境外势力。   (2回应)
2020-01-05 00:18   1人喜欢

So one can conclude this: Whenever one sees that alien forces are called in by a party of men living in a city, one can believe it arises from its bad orders, because inside that wall there is no order able, without extraordinary modes, to vent the malignant humors that arise in men.
引自第25页
简言之：苍蝇不叮无缝的蛋。要不是自己治理不善、把自己人逼得无路可走，也招不来那么多境外势力。

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第307页第三卷第48章

装睡的人

这是篇非常应景的笔记。这一章节的标题已点明了本章主旨： When One Sees a Great Error Made by an Enemy, One Ought to Believe That There Is a Deception Underneath 马基雅维利首先要表达的意思是，如果敌人留下了明显的破绽，那一定要小心，因为这很可能是个引蛇出洞的陷阱： Here one can advantageously note that a captain of armies ought not to put faith in an error that the enemy is evidently seen to make,...
2014-12-30 16:25

这是篇非常应景的笔记。这一章节的标题已点明了本章主旨：
When One Sees a Great Error Made by an Enemy, One Ought to Believe That There Is a Deception Underneath
引自第三卷第48章
马基雅维利首先要表达的意思是，如果敌人留下了明显的破绽，那一定要小心，因为这很可能是个引蛇出洞的陷阱：
Here one can advantageously note that a captain of armies ought not to put faith in an error that the enemy is evidently seen to make, for fraud will always be underneath it, as it is not reasonable that men be so incautious.
引自第三卷第48章
而他接下来又说：
But often the desire to conquer blinds the spirits of men, who do not see but what appears to be done for them.
引自第三卷第48章
人们太容易中了敌人的诡计，而这是人性使然，因为人们的征服欲是一直存在的（见第一卷第5章、第三卷第46章）。然而受制于这一欲望而犯了错误、将“看似是的”当成”实际是的“，对于马基雅维利而言并不值得同情——因为这本是可以靠人力避免的（见第二卷第29章、《君主论》第25章）。从这个角度讲，实际本章节的标题还可以从另一个角度来理解，那就是我们的欲望本身所具有的欺骗性： Is it that our enemies do MAKE an error, or merely that we SEE them make an error? Does the deception lie underneath the error that our enemies do make, or merely underneath our seeing their making an error?

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