Two distinguished linguists on language, the history of science, misplaced euphoria, surprising facts, and potentially permanent mysteries.
In The Secrets of Words, influential linguist Noam Chomsky and his longtime colleague Andrea Moro have a wide-ranging conversation, touching on such topics as language and linguistics, the history of science, and the relation between language and the brain. Moro draws Chomsky out on today's misplaced euphoria about artificial intelligence (Chomsky sees “lots of hype and propaganda” coming from Silicon Valley), the study of the brain (Chomsky points out that findings from brain studies in the 1950s never made it into that era's psychology), and language acquisition by children. Chomsky in turn invites Moro to describe his own experiments, which proved that there exist impossible languages for the brain, languages that show surprising properties and reveal unexpected secrets of the human mind.
Chomsky once said, “It is important to learn to be surprised by simple facts”—“an expression of yours that has represented a fundamental turning point in my own personal life,” says Moro—and this is something of a theme in their conversation. Another theme is that not everything can be known; there may be permanent mysteries, about language and other matters. Not all words will give up their secrets.
1 有用 sourplum 2023-12-19 13:29:16 中国台湾
比两个人各自写的书好懂多了
0 有用 尘与土 2022-06-02 12:31:44
虽然挺有意思,但不过是一次在线访谈的文字稿,称不上是一本书。了解乔姆斯基的学术研究有其他更好的书可读。书中对科学史的反思最发人深省。
2 有用 NADPH 2022-05-29 20:18:08
乔帮主和Andrea Moro的对谈。乔帮主多在思考科学史,说明伽利略式的思想实验对于科学的不可或缺,所以搞统计和搞科学是两回事儿。我们必须在模拟和理解之间做出明确的区分,否则,就会产生一种危险的欺骗性局面。模拟很有用,但是它回答的问题与旨在发现和理解语言能力的实际机制的问题不同。乔帮主另外一个重要思考是关于神经科学如何和语言学合作的。乔帮主用化学和物理做了个譬喻,没有量子理论前的物理无论如何不能... 乔帮主和Andrea Moro的对谈。乔帮主多在思考科学史,说明伽利略式的思想实验对于科学的不可或缺,所以搞统计和搞科学是两回事儿。我们必须在模拟和理解之间做出明确的区分,否则,就会产生一种危险的欺骗性局面。模拟很有用,但是它回答的问题与旨在发现和理解语言能力的实际机制的问题不同。乔帮主另外一个重要思考是关于神经科学如何和语言学合作的。乔帮主用化学和物理做了个譬喻,没有量子理论前的物理无论如何不能还原为化学,因为还原的基础是错的。而神经科学和语言认知科学真正可以对话了吗?恐怕它们还没有统一的基础。AM觉得神经科学研究应该从“where”问题转向“what”问题。还是期待像词、神经元等等单位能早日在大一统框架下进行理解。虽然我不太赞同乔帮主对语言有元素周期表或者DNA那样简约基础的那种思路。 (展开)